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Auteur : | fifi [ mer. avr. 08, 2015 19:14 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Bonjour, beaux documents, merci amicalement jph |
Auteur : | Frédéric Gondron [ lun. nov. 02, 2015 20:32 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Welcome on our forum & website Wayne ! Glad to read that this moment was a great day for your Father and the memory of all these men. Maybe, you could help us. Have you some documents or photos of the war time of your father and his unit, that we could put on our website. Hope to read you another time. Best regards Fred |
Auteur : | somme40 [ mar. nov. 03, 2015 16:53 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Bonjour Wayne, hi Wayne. Welcome in the forum, as Frédéric says. I thanks your specially for this message on the website. I leave next from this village. A great friend (small at this time) have spend joyfully time in the tank just after the battle. The delicious "war game" for many childrens after the war... They played with all the ammunition in the passenger stained by these painful bouts. I'know were the fight have become and the position of this 88mm gun. I thank you for the description of the fight because i don't find a history of this evennement and the tank type. I've go to the near first war cemetery recently and there wasn't sadly ww2 graves. I have see recently a photo of one tank enter in Corbie city. Perhaps it's your father tank... ? The big evennement was the discovery of a lot of photos of this date by a joung witness teenager in vacancy in Bonnay. But, unfortunately i don't have the authorization for diffuse this original documents. After the time he don't remember the fighting tanks on the road near from the Bonnay exit. I will contact this older man now for looking in the photos (he spend just 1 day in the 2 village with his camera). May be your father was in this pictures... Just one detail of the régiment in a jeep comming from Bonnay. Sorry for the bad english |
Auteur : | Frédéric Gondron [ mar. nov. 03, 2015 18:46 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
somme40 a écrit : ...But, unfortunately i don't have the authorization for diffuse this original documents. After the time he don't remember the fighting tanks on the road near from the Bonnay exit. I will contact this older man now for looking in the photos (he spend just 1 day in the 2 village with his camera). May be your father was in this pictures... Cela serait sympathique pour Wayne ... et pour nous tous ... de voir en effet quelques photos. |
Auteur : | Wayne [ mer. nov. 04, 2015 5:01 am ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Hello Fred, Many thanks for your welcome to this website. I will look through my late fathers photos and documents to see if I can find more information for this website. My father, Guardsman Norman Lund, served with the Second Battalion, Grenadier Guards which was part of the Guards Armoured Division. They arrived in France six days after D Day and were involved in the liberation of Caen, Amiens and Albert and many other French towns. They went on to liberate Brussels and are well known for the liberation of Nijmegen in Holland and the taking of the road bridge over the Waal in Nijmegen. They were then tasked to push on to Arnhem to relieve the Allied parachutists who had taken the town, but after suffering heavy losses on the exposed Dutch roads, they failed to reach the parachutists who were mostly killed or taken prisoner. My father ended the war near Hamburg in Germany. After the German surrender he volunteered to fight the Japanese and was in a ship on his way to Asia when the Japanese surrendered also, and the Grenadier Guards were diverted to Palestine, where he served until the British left in 1948. He then joined the police in our hometown of Bolton, Lancashire, England. He later joined the British Colonial Police and served in the Cyprus Police and Nyasaland Police, in Central Africa. Our family then moved to South Africa where my brother served in the South African army in the 1970's and I served in the South African Air Force. I now live in Perth, Australia. My father passed away in South Africa in 2011. An interesting aside is that whilst my father served in the area of the Somme in WW2, my grandfather also served on the Somme with the Scottish Rifles in WW1. They both spent time in the vicinity of Albert. My grandfather went on to win the Distinguished Conduct Medal for bravery during the Battle of Passchendaele. |
Auteur : | Wayne [ mer. nov. 04, 2015 8:39 am ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Bonjour Somme, Many thanks for your comments. When I was in Bonnay for the Mayoral reception held for my father, a citizen of Bonnay showed me many photos taken in the village during the time my father was there. He had pictures of the three destroyed Sherman tanks as well as the graves of the two soldiers killed, Guardsmen Joseph Bryant (2614577) and Edward Sault (2619101) killed in Bonnay on 31 August 1944. Their bodies were later moved to London Cemetery Extension, Highwood, Longueval. Both men of Second Battalion, Grenadier Guards, Guards Armoured Division. The gentleman from Bonnay also had pictures of my father and several of his comrades who stayed in Bonnay/Heilly for about a week. To the best of my recollection, my father described the liberation of Bonnay as follows : His troop of Sherman tanks entered the village and noticed no civilians in the streets. They expected an attack so stopped their tanks to await infantry support. Whilst the tanks were stationery they noticed movement and unfortunately, by mistake, shot and killed an elderly woman, a citizen of Bonnay. Shortly afterwards they noticed a German motorcycle and sidecar with machine gun approaching the village. They shot and killed both German soldiers in the motor cycle and side car. They then proceeded to the last buildings in the village, on the road to Albert, where they stopped. Shortly afterwards the order was given to advance, and they left the cover of the buildings. It was then that three tanks were hit by only three perfectly aimed shots from a German 88mm gun. Each shot hit a different tank in almost the same position close to where the driver sits. Both Sault and Bryant were tank drivers. Both were old soldiers aged in their late twenties. Bryant was married and Sault engaged to be married. They were both in their late twenties. The remaining tanks immediately reversed back behind the towns buildings and awaited infantry support. The badly wounded men were taken away by ambulance. Those not severely wounded were left behind in Bonnay. The next morning, after the infantry confirmed there were no enemy in the hills overlooking the town, the remaining tanks were ordered to continue their advance to Albert. My fathers tank was now in front and was destroyed near Albert. Lieutenant Steurton being the only serious casualty. My father and the rest of his crew walked back to Heilly/Bonnay. The photo used as my profile picture was taken in Heilly on 4 September 1944. My father is standing next to a boy from Heilly, who was the brother of a girl my father became friendly with in the town, by the name of Marcelle. The people in Bonnay advised us that this boy died many years before our visit in April 2000. His sister, Marcelle, had married an Englishman and was still living in England at that time. An amusing incident in 1948 happened on the day my father married my mother. A telegram arrived from Marcelle saying that she had arrived in England to complete a Nursing course and asking if she could meet my father. My mother often joked about this telegram which severely embarrassed my father. I would very much like to see any pictures that you have of the British forces during the liberation of Corbie/Bonnay/Heilly/Albert. I will provide more information and hopefully some pictures shortly. |
Auteur : | Loustic [ mer. nov. 04, 2015 9:18 am ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Bonjour, que tout cela est intéressant ! Frédéric et somme40, vous n'avez pas à rougir de votre anglais ! Hi Wayne ! Glad to meet you on this website. Your father's story is very interesting, very telling and above all really very moving you know. I have just a question... Did your father come to Beauvais (Oise) ? Regards. Loustic |
Auteur : | somme40 [ mer. nov. 04, 2015 10:59 am ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Hi Wayne. Very exiting effectively. I can send you by mail (adress on mp) just one photo with this jeep and the first english mortocycle man enter in the Heilly village for the liberation. May be your father was here and Marcelle ? I'm not sure. I'll enquiry the rarely older people in the village about this boy and this sister. All the photos are the liberation of the village with many citizen people and ostentrupp prisoners. The photograph said me that a ostruppen horse convoy was buried by attack airplane next after the village on the road of Heilly to Ribemont Sur Ancre. If you have informations of this evennement... I bounce to your grand father who fight in the first war near Albert. Incredible. Another generation mans in a similar war in the same land... To bounce also for your comments about your family : You're warriors ! Definitely your ancestors came to the battle of Crecy in the Somme in 1346 |
Auteur : | Frédéric Gondron [ mer. nov. 04, 2015 18:46 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Loustic a écrit : Bonjour, que tout cela est intéressant ! Frédéric et somme40, vous n'avez pas à rougir de votre anglais ! ... Loustic Pourquoi rougirais-je de mon anglais ? |
Auteur : | Loustic [ mer. nov. 04, 2015 19:12 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Yes indeed... why... ? Loustic |
Auteur : | Wayne [ jeu. nov. 05, 2015 7:07 am ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Hello Loustic, "Did your father come to Beauvais (Oise) ?" I don't remember him ever mentioning the town but I read in my fathers book "The Grenadier Guards in the War of 1939 to 1945" that his regiment helped liberate the town, so he may have been there. He spent a week or so on the road between Vire and Vassey, which I know is quite far away from Beauvais. The Grenadiers were there as support if the Germans broke out of Caen. When we drove this road in 2000 he could remember exactly where his tank was situated and pointed out a farm where the occupants supplied them with eggs and meat. He had plentiful praise for the people of France, who he said had a very brave and well supported resistance (Maquis?) compared to the Dutch and Belgians. |
Auteur : | Frédéric Gondron [ jeu. nov. 05, 2015 19:46 pm ] |
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 |
Wayne a écrit : Hello Loustic, "Did your father come to Beauvais (Oise) ?" I don't remember him ever mentioning the town but I read in my fathers book "The Grenadier Guards in the War of 1939 to 1945" that his regiment helped liberate the town, so he may have been there. He spent a week or so on the road between Vire and Vassey, which I know is quite far away from Beauvais. The Grenadiers were there as support if the Germans broke out of Caen. When we drove this road in 2000 he could remember exactly where his tank was situated and pointed out a farm where the occupants supplied them with eggs and meat. He had plentiful praise for the people of France, who he said had a very brave and well supported resistance (Maquis?) compared to the Dutch and Belgians. hi Wayne, you talked about your father's book !? did he write a book after the war or it's a kind of war book ? regards Fred |
Auteur : | Wayne [ ven. nov. 06, 2015 9:25 am ] | ||
Sujet du message : | Re: Libération d'Albert 1er septembre 1944 | ||
Somme 40, This vehicle was part of the 2nd Survey Regiment, Royal Canadian Artillery. The regiment assisted the Guards Armoured Division. Regimental History : The first deployment was made north of Caen on 11 Jul 44, and from then until V.E. Day the unit was never out of action. The Regiment saw action at Caen, Falaise, Boulougne, Calais, Dunkirk, the Scheldt Estuary, Nijmegen, Reichswald, etc. "Ubique" indeed! During these operations, survey, sound ranging and flash spotting troops carried out their special functions, being joined later by mortar locating sections. In addition, the Regiment performed many unusual tasks: for example, the directional wireless beams and the search lights, which guided the tanks and armoured personnel carriers in the breakthrough down the Caen-Falaise road were surveyed in by the Regiment. Furthermore, early in November, the Regiment was the first to put troops over the border into Germany. During all these operations the Regiment served with all five Canadian Divisions, many famous British Divisions (including the 51st Highland, the Guards armoured Division, as well as with U.S.A. and Polish formations.
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